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Hurcule Satan V King Chappa; A Martial-Artist Dream Match
Topic Started: Aug 5 2014, 11:52 PM (2,267 Views)
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Aug 6 2014, 04:33 AM
I meant we didn't need to see Mecha Freeza in action to know how he compared to guys like Trunks and King Cold.
Be that as it may, we had a pretty good idea based on what we saw of frieza on namek and how he actually did stack up against Trunks. If anything, we learned more about Trunks based on what we saw!

We saw very little (if anything) of gohans fighting style. And basic biology suggests that Gohan would have been much stronger as a younger man compared to how he was when he was training Goku, so to compare Satan to Gohan is mute! There's not enough evidence to go by.

But sticking to the topic at hand, I'm agreeing with the masses. Chappa takes out Mister Satan! My argument has been shut down =p sucks to admit it, but ay. I think I get points for admitting defeat!
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Aug 6 2014, 04:33 AM
I meant we didn't need to see Mecha Freeza in action to know how he compared to guys like Trunks and King Cold.
In fairness we saw what Regular Frieza can do and he's the same guy. And then he super nova'd fast than Regular Frieza could put together a death ball. So yeah, we did get that anyway. If anything in Dragon Ball it IS seeing that makes it worth believing. Still an action show, gotta show, never tell.
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Aug 6 2014, 03:52 AM
Well, you got me there. But earliest gokus martial arts is ill compared to satan. So I'm calling hurc to win that one (unrelated) regardless. Again, I need to see this AT quote to be completely shut up, but my argument is declining to yours at this stage. I'm still not fully convinced though, I still think it would be pretty close. I don't think hurcule is being rated as high as he deserves to be.
Since no one else linked you, here you go:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15317

2nd post in the thread. Note that Herms is a fluent Japanese speaker and translates a lot of interviews for Kanzenshuu. If you read through the rest of the thread though you'll get some differ opinions on the matter, including Herms himself thinking it was a joke:
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The book came out on April 30th, 2004. Looking through Wikipedia, it turns out that Bob Sapp won the IWGP Heavyweight Championship a month earlier, on March 28th. So when Toriyama was being interviewed, there was probably a lot of hype in Japan about Sapp being the strongest guy around. So it would make sense for Toriyama to joke about Satan not measuring up to Sapp.


Somewhat similar to the way people would make Chuck Norris jokes I guess. Keep in mind that's just his way of interpreting it though.
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Aug 6 2014, 04:49 AM
lucrowe
Aug 6 2014, 03:52 AM
Well, you got me there. But earliest gokus martial arts is ill compared to satan. So I'm calling hurc to win that one (unrelated) regardless. Again, I need to see this AT quote to be completely shut up, but my argument is declining to yours at this stage. I'm still not fully convinced though, I still think it would be pretty close. I don't think hurcule is being rated as high as he deserves to be.
Since no one else linked you, here you go:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15317

2nd post in the thread. Note that Herms is a fluent Japanese speaker and translates a lot of interviews for Kanzenshuu. If you read through the rest of the thread though you'll get some differ opinions on the matter, including Herms himself thinking it was a joke:
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The book came out on April 30th, 2004. Looking through Wikipedia, it turns out that Bob Sapp won the IWGP Heavyweight Championship a month earlier, on March 28th. So when Toriyama was being interviewed, there was probably a lot of hype in Japan about Sapp being the strongest guy around. So it would make sense for Toriyama to joke about Satan not measuring up to Sapp.


Somewhat similar to the way people would make Chuck Norris jokes I guess. Keep in mind that's just his way of interpreting it though.
Thats very interesting. Thank you for posting all that! It does clear a few things up on my end, but its like you said; theres allot of interpretation involved with all that. So it didn't really answer a great deal, but I don't think even with all that the argument would be closed with all this. I think all the evidence compiled against my argument would have closed it regardless.

Still, thank you for the effort!
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Kid Goku defeated King Choppa with a couple hits, holding back.

Perfect Cell, who is on a whole different level slapped Mr.Satan out, and Hercule got up right away.

I'd say Hercule has the power to defeat him but, he may get too full of himself and get defeated.
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Aug 6 2014, 07:44 AM
Kid Goku defeated King Choppa with a couple hits, holding back.

Perfect Cell, who is on a whole different level slapped Mr.Satan out, and Hercule got up right away.

I'd say Hercule has the power to defeat him but, he may get too full of himself and get defeated.
You're comparing a serious scene to a gag scene.

Vastly different contexts.
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Ok. We know Videl is stronger than Hercule. That was stated. It took Videl like 5 or 6 solid kicks and punches to takedown a muscular thug.

We know contestants at the 21st Tenkaichi Budoukai are said to be above the average level. That should include Chappa, who we know is really strong.

Chappa > average: Videl > Thug >~ Hercule.

The thug thinks he can take on Hercule, which is fine since he and Hercule are both inferior to Videl. They are all average humans. Chappa could kill any of them.
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Aug 6 2014, 07:57 AM
Ok. We know Videl is stronger than Hercule. That was stated. It took Videl like 5 or 6 solid kicks and punches to takedown a muscular thug.

We know contestants at the 21st Tenkaichi Budoukai are said to be above the average level. That should include Chappa, who we know is really strong.

Chappa > average: Videl > Thug >~ Hercule.

The thug thinks he can take on Hercule, which is fine since he and Hercule are both inferior to Videl. They are all average humans. Chappa could kill any of them.
I thought that she was taking it easy on that thug (IIRC she knocked him back at least a good 10-15 ft) though it's been a while since seeing that scene.

As for the OP I rate Mr. Satan higher than most (comparable to top eight finalists in DB Tournaments) since I give him, and Toriyama's words, the benefit of the doubt but yeah he's not taking down Chappa.
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I hope this is Satan from the Cell Games and not the Boo arc. He couldn't even knock out a couple of gunmen during the latter, and he was out of breath after that. Sad.
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Aug 6 2014, 07:57 AM
Ok. We know Videl is stronger than Hercule. That was stated. It took Videl like 5 or 6 solid kicks and punches to takedown a muscular thug.

We know contestants at the 21st Tenkaichi Budoukai are said to be above the average level. That should include Chappa, who we know is really strong.

Chappa > average: Videl > Thug >~ Hercule.

The thug thinks he can take on Hercule, which is fine since he and Hercule are both inferior to Videl. They are all average humans. Chappa could kill any of them.
I thought that she was taking it easy on that thug (IIRC she knocked him back at least a good 10-15 ft) though it's been a while since seeing that scene.

As for the OP I rate Mr. Satan higher than most (comparable to top eight finalists in DB Tournaments) since I give him, and Toriyama's words, the benefit of the doubt but yeah he's not taking down Chappa.
She wasn't going easy in that scene. Her expression said she was putting in a lot of effort. Then the thug responds that she's tough. She kicks his a*** again and ends up downing him after 8 kicks/punches. She's pretty close to a big and muscular. Perhaps her strength that's around the same area and her martial-arts skills is what gives her the advantage over dudes like that.

She couldn't fight two thugs at the same time. She'd collapse.
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Gohan was initially worried for her safety as well.
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What? Mr. Satan almost broke his hand breaking a few tiles [which are significantly softer than bricks], Goku from the start of the series broke actual bricks with his finger like it was nothing. Chappa BREATHES on Satan and he dies.

Sorry if there's a rule about posting on old threads. This one was just too funny.
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Well, you shared your two cents on the matter and I agree. In lieu of this, I will close the thread. Thank you for the memories, thread.

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